Episode Description

In this episode co-hosts Edmund Mitchell and Emily Mentock dive into the fourth petition of the Lord's Prayer, 'Thy will be done.' They discuss teaching the importance of accepting God's will, especially in the context of suffering. The conversation explores how this petition impacts various aspects of ministry, emphasizing the need for practical applications and a fuller understanding of suffering in the context of God’s will. They discuss the way the catechism acknowledges and addresses the existence of evil and suffering, the significance of free will, and the importance of cooperating with God's plan prayerfully and with obedience. The episode also offers practical advice on how to approach and support individuals grappling with these emotionally-charged questions concerning God’s will and suffering.

 Show Notes

00:00  In the opening of the episode, Edmund and Emily explore the petition “Thy will be done” from the Lord’s Prayer. They unpack the meaning of “will” through the lens of ministry, suffering, and spiritual discernment. Drawing from the catechism and Jesus' agony in the garden, they emphasize choosing God’s will with love, trust, and action—especially when facing challenges in ministry and discernment of our vocation.

07:48  Edmund and Emily explore the challenging question of how to reconcile God's will with the reality of suffering and evil. They reflect on free will, the catechism’s teaching (especially paragraph 309), and Jesus’ own suffering. They discuss how catechists and ministers can address questions of suffering with honesty, empathy, and theological clarity, helping others reconcile God's goodness with a broken world.

16:01  The conversation then begins to explore ways suffering is sometimes dismissed by well-meaning christians and how genuine compassion calls us to enter into others' pain like Christ did. They discuss emotional maturity, empathy, and the idea of “unconditional positive regard” in ministry, drawing on personal experiences, therapeutic insights, and the catechism’s call to unite our will with Christ’s through suffering and trust in God’s greater plan.

24:58  Edmund and Emily dive into the tension between God's mysterious, sovereign plan and our free will, using Scripture, the catechism, and examples from film and spiritual direction. They discuss how we’re all called to actively cooperate with God's will not as passive recipients, but as free agents choosing to trust in God’s plan, even amid uncertainty, suffering, or difficult discernment.

31:49  In the closing of the episode, Edmund and Emily reflect on practical ways to accompany others through suffering with empathy and compassion. They emphasize listening over fixing, respecting people’s emotions, and rooting ministry responses in Jesus and the catechism’s wisdom on suffering, obedience, and God’s will. They offer concrete tips like using the Stations of the Cross, the sorrowful mysteries, and stories from the lives of the saints to help people unite their suffering with Christ’s. The episode closes with a pastoral call for catechists to study the theology of suffering and compassionately support those they serve.

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